Wednesday, September 17, 2014

THE ITCH: KARL'S RESPONSE: PART TWO

After I'd come to some conclusions regarding the points Karl had raised, I returned to his paper(s) and quickly found that Karl had managed to put aside the questions of sexual fidelity he had raised (at least for the time being) and moved on to some real introspection. "I decided to stop thinking just about the sexual things and began to look at the bigger picture," he wrote. "I am a sub, your sub. You are my Dom, I truly worship you, and I know that my number one priority is your happiness. I love that we've created a life together where we can both feel fulfilled, and I must never forget that your needs come first and always will. That thought has never left me and it's absolutely basic to who we are. You know this too, and yet you've always allowed me to express myself at some point, even if it's after a harsh lesson or punishment, and you've always given real thought to whatever I had to say. 

He went on: "You've allowed me to serve you alone and with your Femdom friends.   You've set up scenarios to satisfy my "slave" fantasies.  You've even loaned me out to Vanessa and trusted me to limit my sexual contact with her despite knowing full well that she might prove untrustworthy in that regard. In other words, you've had faith in me, allowed me physical contact with other Doms, and never harangued me with thoughts of jealousy.

"Who am I to deny you the very same thing? What sort of a sub would I be if I didn't trust you? What sort of relationship would we have then? I don't think either one of us would like it. You say that this itch is not about sex. You say that you still love me. You say that you have no intention of messing up our relationship. I must believe you. I must trust you as you've trusted me."

I was awestruck at his words, but Karl was not done yet.  He was about to drop a bomb.  "As I've thought more about those early training days, I started to feel a nostalgic connection to what that was like.  It turned me on to think about it and I began to wonder if I could experience that again, just as you want to do.  What would it be like to be trained anew by another dominant woman as if I were a novice once more?  I'm sure every training experience must be different with different dominant women, and even though I've been fully trained as your sub, there might be new things to be  learned from a different perspective.  Maybe if both of us were doing a "back in time" thing we could reach some new heights in our current relationship.  

"You'd have to find the right woman for me, of course.  Or am I being crazy here?  Am I making this about myself and not you?  Whatever....I'll leave it up to you.  I trust you completely.  If you want to go ahead and train a new sub, I won't object.  If you don't want me to serve a new Dom as her novice, that's fine.  I'm probably being nuts anyway when I even suggest it.  The important thing is that you are happy and know that I will not try to stand in your way as you scratch your itch.  I love you totally, and will serve you forever."

And that's where the composition ended.  The last part was a total surprise to me.  Karl had given his blessing to my desires despite his misgivings.  He had expressed total belief in me.  He would not try to stand in my way.  And...AND.....there was this thing about him wanting the same sort of thing, albeit from the other side, so to speak.  Since the thought had clearly occurred to him as a response to my itch, was it just a knee jerk sort of thing that would have him play a part in my itch scratching, even if it were clearly marginal?   Do I just ignore that part of his writing?   I certainly CAN ignore it in my position as Karl's Dom.

When we finally discussed what he wrote, I told him I would take his idea of being re-trained himself under advisement, but that finding a Dom I trusted with such a task would be very difficult, at best.  There are many more sub wannabes out there than Femdom wannabes, and I'm not at all sure that I even want such a thing for Karl.   I expressed my happiness at his ability to deal with my wishes, and his total trust in me, etc., etc., and that's where we left it.

Well, there's more to ponder, but for the moment I can feel a sense of relief that Karl has accepted the itch and I have a clear path to training a sub once again.    As for the immediate future, I'm definitely feeling excited about the prospect of training a new sub, and I am giving some thought to the idea of a re-training for Karl at the hands of another Dom, though at this moment I feel less than excited at the prospect.  Am I a selfish person?  Of course, and I've never denied it:)

So much to think about!

14 comments:

  1. What about a novice couple? I know this could be hard to find, but you could help a young couple starting out and help yourself at the same time. This would also help you keep an eye on what your husband is doing.

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  2. My reaction was that the "wow, me too" part of your sub's reaction was off. Somehow, I don't think re-experiencing new training is as good for a monogamous submissive as it is for a dominant. A dominant doesn't have to surrender any control over an existing submissive in order to explore with a new one. At worst, your husband will receive a little less time of your time.

    In addition to a time commitment, however, a submissive is going to have to divide his devotion if he is to truly cede power to a new dominant. Otherwise, he is just having a play session—not unlike going to a professional dominatrix.

    I think there is value in having your submissive taste different flavors of domination. It could help him grow as person who places authority over his life in someone else's hands. He can even bring back those perspectives in the form of new or evolving reactions to your domination of him. You get a little something new from your husband because he had to please someone else.

    I think you have already found the perfect method for this: sharing him with trusted femdom friends. It is the best of all worlds. He gets new experiences and thrills as a part of obeying you, and your authority over him hangs over every bit of his extracurricular submission.

    And if you don't have a dominant friend available, perhaps a visit to a professional dominatrix could be a good way to achieve the same ends. I think it would be best for you to participate in (or at least be present for) the initial session(s). A good dominatrix could be a valuable method of accessing the kind of advanced and well-informed domination that would benefit both you and your submissive.

    In any case, whatever outside domination he may be permitted to explore must be approached as an extension of your authority, not a division of his submission between you and someone else. It should be a collaboration between you and another dominant. By extending your domination of you husband in this manner, he gets a novel experience that is simultaneously an expression of your authority.

    Best wishes, lthrpup

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  3. I don't even know where to start with this incredibly sweet and thoughtful post.You are very lucky to have a sub/husband that realizes how much you have given him and allowed him to live his dream. As I have followed you from the beginning I know how wonderful your relationship has been and how much love you have for each other and it shines through in this post.

    True you didn't have to ask Karl's permission for this but you choose the right path in doing so and in turn his writing to you must have melted your heart. Such sweet thoughts.

    Much like any relationship you must continue to grow and evolve or you get stale and bored. Every couple goes through this but our type of relationship warrant the growth. Honestly how many times can you beat him or lock him up in a different way? You must grow as a couple as well as individuals which is where your itch began.

    Trust and communication are the key and it is obvious that you two have that closeness. I am certain that you now must be excited and have renewed domme juices flowing over the prospect of training a newbie. As far as Karl's curve ball I will be addressing that in my next comment. This posting will require a more in depth review. I'm just awe struck after reading this and had to comment.

    Much like our cuckolding has evolved it only did so because we can openly talk about our wants, needs and desire. I saw that in your posting. I will be commenting much more on this.

    QG

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  4. Anon - Thank you for your suggestion, but that's not what I'm after at this time.

    lthrpup - Your thoughts on the "me too" part make sense. I'm still mulling over that part of Karl's response. I agree that the idea of lending Karl out to a Dom that I know seemed good on paper, but the session with Vanessa had mixed results. I haven't ruled out the idea, but currently I have no friends who want to take part in such a thing.

    As for a pro Dom, I really don't see the upside for me, and it would set aa awkward precedent for Karl. Not something I want to get into right now.

    I agree with your last paragraph, and can assure you that ANY outside submission for Karl would definitely be an extension of my authority. Thank you for your thoughts.

    QG - I'm so happy to hear your reaction to this post. I was very touched (moist eyes and all) by Karl's expressions of love and commitment to our relationship, and I'm not at all surprised that you completely understood

    As you can imagine, I am indeed very excited by the prospect of what lies ahead, and I can't wait to read your take on what you've described as Karl's "curve ball".

    Hope all is well with you and hubbette!

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  5. Thank you again for these posts, Lady Grey.

    Karl came through like I thought he would. I believe at his core, the pain of denying you pleasure outweighed the pain of a bruised ego (although it took him a few days to get there).

    If I had to try to pry into his psyche, I think his request has a couple of parts to it. Firstly, I don't think he really needs his own itch to be truly scratched, it's more of a reassurance to him. Granting permission "under the right circumstances" is a symbol that will put him at ease even if said circumstances never arise.

    Secondly, there is some merit to his craving those initial feelings, but I don't think those feelings are exclusive to being with someone new. From my experiences, serving someone new is terrifying and exhilarating. You feel like you are under the microscope, every action being evaluated and scrutinized, and any mistake can feel devastating. I know that he is already able to serve you at a very high level, but I am also guessing that every time you have elevated the standard you hold him to has probably brought on similar feelings for him. While those feelings may have only lasted until he was fully acclimated, they are very similar to experiencing a new Domme and they will eventually fade in both cases. Sadly, as he evolves and is able to acclimate more and more quickly, the length of time those feelings last for grows shorter and shorter.

    I could be wrong here, but if I understand Karl at all, I think he would also be just fine with you being selfish about it.

    Take care.

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    1. I love all the ideas that you offer. Such delicious and devious shares. Very hot.

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  6. The end result is just about what I foresaw. Karl's request at the end matters little. Tit for tat is just another semantic game people play. As I said in my last post to you, our society has become adept at manipulating those standards the society feels are inconvenient or unrewarding or too much work. With respect, I believe you have done the same thing. It is , however, your life.
    Respectfully
    Stan

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  7. Perfect result for all well done

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  8. His "me too"reaction made me super angry. You had certain needs, you were not 100% satisfied, you were trying to find ways to find a solution without harming him.

    And he turns it all in a "I want more too".

    The thing is, at this point it was for once not about him. It was about you and your needs. But he egoistically and unnecessarily turned the focus from you to him.

    Being a dominant woman is a lot about giving and taking care of the man. It looks as if the man is serving the woman constantly, but in reality a good domme is making sure 24/7 that the man is taken care of too.

    You have given him a lot in the last years. You provided him with the hottest domestic disciplin scenarios. You made sure that he gets enough color in his sex life and you supported him emotionally.

    I do think that the "itch" you are having is a sign that you did not receive as much as you gave.

    The pill that you gave your husband to swallow was a very bitter one. You can sugar coat it as much as you want to, but basically you were saying: "What I have right now is not fulfilling enough for me. I am not getting enough out of the relationship with you."

    He has all rights to feel hurt after receiving such a message.

    But playing the "Hey babe, listen, I want more too"- card, that is pretty much a slap in your face.

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  9. dear Lady,
    I may be wrong.. but Karl's counter proposition seems to me as a - conscious or subconscious - way to tell you: "let's see how you feel about that"..hmm..

    Best regards ),

    Alex

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  10. Fur - You paint a bleak picture for Karl. If you're correct, he faces an inescapable descending order to his excitement in respect to how long his excitement lasts. In your view, a male sub can neither expect a long lasting rush from re-visiting the past, nor experience further heights in the future that are anything but temporary. Could this reflect the current mood you express in your blog? It rather feels that way, so I hope you're wrong on this one, just as I hope you can get rid of the funk in which you seem to be mired.

    Stan - Well, Stan, to each their own. I guess we'll not see eye to eye on this matter, but I do appreciate your thoughts.

    Anon - I guess we'll have to see about that.

    Lawyer - An interesting point of view. I think perhaps you're being a bit too hard on Karl. As I ponder the situation, and in light of my more intimate knowledge of his thought processes, it's feeling more and more like an act of desperation on his part than a slap in the face. It has to be difficult for him to accept my itch, and he saves a lot of face if he too is involved. So I take it as more of a defensive move on his part than an offensive move aimed at me. We'll see how it evolves, and it's very nice to hear from another woman!

    Alex - see my response to Lawyer, as you're both reacting to Karl's "me too" in similar ways. Always nice to hear from you.

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  11. Lady Grey, I am sorry if things came off so negatively (I should probably stop writing so late at night). I am happy that you and Karl were able to find a place that will work for you. I was mostly trying to provide some ideas as to whether or not Karl's request is something to be considered seriously or not.

    I believe Karl is an intelligent, capable, and adaptable sub and a lot of that is drawn out of his love for you (and the love he feels from you). I believe he is living his dream life. There are a lot of things that will provide him with sexual arousal, pleasure, and satisfaction but do not necessarily provide the same type of exhilaration as being a novice to the lifestyle, learning and stumbling as you go. That being said, I do not think his situation is bleak at all (in fact I believe it to be quite the opposite). I just think the situations are very different in that it is possible for you to experience the rush of training a novice while I do not think it is possible for him to recapture the rush of being a novice for any significant period of time.

    I hope that makes sense. Thank you again, and take care.

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  12. Fur - Sorry if I misunderstood you, fur. I stand corrected, and I'm glad you're not as negative for Karl as I thought.

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  13. Lady Grey


    Interesting solution. I'm glad there was room for Karl's opinion and needs to be expressed while still considering your position.


    I can't wait to hear how you handle it in real life. Good luck to you both.


    Kasha

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