Wednesday, February 11, 2015

TRANSFORMATIONS

How does one transform a submissive husband into a slave?  Is this an inevitable progression when a naturally Dominant woman marries a naturally submissive man?  Is it even desirable to take a successful marriage to this new level?  Is it worth risking disaster to change a dynamic this radically?

Make no mistake, this is a RADICAL change.  From part time submissive to full time slave involves enormous changes in attitude on both sides.  My husband Karl and I are experimenting with this scenario with three day - and sometimes four day - slave sessions each month.  I've written about the first session, which also involved my Dominant friends Vanessa and Patsy, and which had mixed results.  There have been two more sessions since then, and since Vanessa is now out of the picture and Patsy has been too busy with other matters to partake since the first session, it has simply been Karl and I for the past two months.

"Simply" is probably the wrong word to describe what is happening.  Years ago, we had a slave weekend which worked out well enough, but didn't result in any permanent changes in our basic relationship.  We went back to our usual FLR where I was the Dom and Karl was the sub, but didn't involve slavery or 24/7 activity.  Yes, Karl was always at my beck and call, and the majority of our time was more or less normal, at least for us,  but always with the realization that I was in control and could and would exercise that control as if saw fit.  And I saw fit quite often, keeping Karl under my thumb, using and abusing him for my (and his) pleasure.  If you've followed this blog, you know what I'm talking about, and you also know that I gradually got this "itch" to train a new novice sub, and Karl finally accepted this situation after I brought up the matter of his "slavery" which was designed to give him something new in his life as well.

So the concept of monthly slave sessions became reality, and the results have been unpredictably transforming.  I believe it's fair to say that both of us have uncovered aspects of our personalities that may have been there all along, but which were buried somewhere underneath the comfortable veneer of our D/s relationship.  When we changed Dominant/submissive to Mistress/slave, and took it quite seriously, something different was born. 

This wasn't just a game any more.  I decided that if I were going to become a slavemaster I had to take on the attitude of a slavemaster and Karl had to take on the attitude of a real slave.  He had to surrender completely to my will and he had to do it 24/7.  I, in turn, had to commit to being in charge every minute of the day and night and accept that I was not his wife, but his ruler.  We had previously used "Your Highness" and not simply "Milady" to refer to me when we had our slave weekend years before, and now I was "Your Highness" again, and I was prepared to accept that situation and all that it implied.  It implied a lot of work on my part, physically and mentally, and a lot of physical and mental surrender on Karl's part.   Karl was now simply known as "slave" and on the occasions when he was allowed to address me, I was "Your Highness", and he quickly learned that his Highness was not joking around.

Maybe it was because I was having no success in finding a new novice sub to train, or maybe my itch had been about something else altogether, but I jumped into being "Your Highness" with both feet, and those feet found that they loved stomping on Karl at a level never seen before in our house.  The last two slave sessions have found me carrying a whip all the time, and using it whenever my slave failed to satisfy my endless demands.  At times, I used it even when he did satisfy my demands simply because I found that I LIKE to use it. 

Yes, this does bring up the subject of Vanessa, and how angry I was at the physical abuse she had heaped on Karl in the first slave session.  However, it was more her using Karl as a face fucker that had gotten my goat, and her making it a black versus white situation.   Suddenly, I found that I had a lot more empathy with her use of the whip.  Maybe there's just something about being in control of a groveling slave that leads to a love of the whip.  I don't know if that's a fair assumption, but Karl had truly become a slave in his own mind, showing an attitude of "slaveness" that equaled my attitude of slavemaster.   He groveled well, he jumped to my commands, he worshipped every inch of me with relish, he accepted whatever I did to him and thanked me for it, and he MEANT it.  Two mindsets finding a different level and equaling us out in what was taking place.

Were our eyes glazed in a sort of frenzy, were we slightly insane, were we going too far?  I really don't know, and it's still going on, so the jury is still out as to where this will lead.  All I know for sure is that I can't wait for the next slave session, and neither can Karl.  We discussed (after our last session) the possibility of increasing the number of times each month that we do this.  We haven't committed to that yet, but I confess to being excited at the prospect. 

We'll just have to see what happens.  I'll let you know when it does.

24 comments:

  1. Hello very dear Lady,
    You - and your more and more slave then husband - are slowly, but steadily, going down the slippery slope I once mentioned :)
    Nothing to be surprised or fearful about. On the contrary: it shows the seriousness of both your commitments.
    The farther.. the more difficult it is to stop.. Stopping means turning back.. maybe for ever... and the fall is so exciting.. so exhilarating..
    )
    Very best wishes to both
    )
    Alex

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  2. slavehollywood

    "Maybe it was because I was having no success in finding a new novice sub to train, or maybe my itch had been about something else altogether"

    Not that it's my relationship, but with too much chastity and subjugation most dommes slip out of monogamy. Love is inevitably lost. Limited times for slave weekends, with vanilla and dom/sub sessions, are part of the mix that has made your relationship work. Over time you might have to change the proportions of the mix, but if you abandon some of the ingredients I believe you are headed for REAL trouble.

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  3. Lady Grey:

    I just wanted to leave you a note thanking you for your February 11 update and to commend you for your thoughtful and heartfelt documenting of the growth in your relationship with Karl since you resumed posting on your blog last summer.

    Your thought processes come across as achingly honest and true and your prose is artful and inspiring. While your dynamic seems to be more extreme (and I mean that not pejoratively, but with admiration) than I suspect most D/s practitioners could sustain over the long haul, it is a beautiful thing to hear about the way you and Karl have been able to test your respective limits and to explore greater heights of domination and depths of submission, respectively, over such a long period of years. It is awesome in the truest sense of the word that both of you seem to be able to seek and find increasing levels of fulfillment through clear communication and intense commitment to the satisfaction of each others' needs and wants.

    I don't think this is likely to become a mainstream view anytime soon, but your blogging has helped crystalize for me that it is possible for a dominant woman to control and hurt and humiliate her submissive man BECAUSE she loves him, and that he can accept, even relish, that treatment BECAUSE he loves her. I suspect the world would be a far better and happier place if folks in vanilla relationships could treat each other with the honor, candor, and authenticity that you and Karl seem to bring to your BDSM relationship.

    Namaste,
    Patrick

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  4. slavehollywood

    "We discussed (after our last session) the possibility of increasing the number of times each month that we do this. We haven't committed to that yet, but I confess to being excited at the prospect."

    I think it is good that you did what was necessary to bring the juice back into your relationship. Especially since it scratches your itch well enough you no longer feel a pressing need for a newbie, and it brings you closer to Karl. I think how much you go down this road should be how well it impacts your relationship with your husband, and how well it leaves him psychologically and physically. Originally in this blog you wrote that you didn't want to leave permanent damage, scars, either physical or mental, including emasculation. Even if you are not in danger of that, you might want to leave yourself with room to ratchet things up again in another 7 years, if what happened recently, a ho hum period in which your spark faded, happens again.

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  5. Alex - Yes, it is a slippery slope. Let's hope we can keep our balance and not run into a tree, so to speak. So far, so good. It's certainly an interesting ride.

    slavehollywood - In response to both of your comments, without change, a relationship can become stagnant. I think we had reached that stage to some extent, and a change was in order. Whether this particular change is too radical remains to be seen. I feel the same as I always did concerning physical and emotional scars for Karl, and I keep a close watch for any signs that things are going in the wrong direction in that area. Who knows what the future holds, but I can't imagine changing my basic views as to the matter of those sorts of scars.

    Patrick - Such a nice comment! You obviously give a great deal of thought to the workings of a D/s relationship, as do I, and I hope you're at least peripherally involved in something along that line yourself. If not, I suspect you may have explored this sort of thing verbally with a woman, and perhaps been rebuked. If so, do try again. If not, why not go for it and bring it up? You may eventually find what you're looking for, and as a great salesman friend of mine once said "If you don't ask for the sale, the answer is always "NO". Go ahead and ask for it. And thank you again for your kind and thoughtful words.

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  6. Lady Grey,

    You're increased love of the whip does seem to have brought you to a new level of dominance. That's surprsing somehow given yor writings over the years which I follow faithfully.
    To hear you say that you have had a veneer of of a D/s relationship to this point reinforces my belef that you never really know how other people live. Your D/s' relationship seemed more than that.
    If this Transformation is taking you both into a more complete Mistress/slave union, then its wonderful.
    As always I envy Karl his great fortune in having a partner committed to knowing the truth about herself and him so thoroughly.

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  7. anon - Perhaps my use of the word "veneer" was ill advised and misleading. We had/have a fully realized D/s relationship, as you point out. It's just that by comparison, a M/s relationship brings a D/s relationship to a new depth that makes the previous level seem like a veneer, metaphorically speaking. I suppose you'd have to be there to see what I mean, but take my word for it when I say that there's a new depth involved. Whether it's sustainable, or even advisable, remains to be seen.

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  8. As you say Milady, you have to be there. All the best as you discover more about each other! With great respect and thanks for your sharing,

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  9. .. and the transformation will be total only when You will really feel deep and true despise for this low, pitiful, worthless creature, that is not worth even licking the dirt of your divine shoe's soles ...
    when you will feel absolutely no love and affection for this useless thing...
    D
    Affectionately Yours,
    Alex

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  10. slavehollywood

    Don't let this happen to you:

    " Anonymous said...

    .. and the transformation will be total only when You will really feel deep and true despise for this low, pitiful, worthless creature, that is not worth even licking the dirt of your divine shoe's soles ...
    when you will feel absolutely no love and affection for this useless thing...
    D
    Affectionately Yours,
    Alex

    February 15, 2015 at 6:04 AM"

    It is very clear that you could have just commanded Karl to accept you having other slaves, but you put him in play because he is not just a slave, first and foremost he is your love. When you found something to scratch the itch for a newbie, you put the search on the back burner.

    How many people truly get to be in love in this life? Can anything else really replace that? Obviously I don't think so, but if your need for domination eclipses your need to feel in love, you should warn your husband. Let him be in on the choice.

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  11. Alex - If this is your conclusion, I'm afraid that you seriously misread me and my intentions. "Worthless" and "despise" are hardly words that come to mind when thinking of my enslaved husband. "No love and affection for this useless thing"...now where do you get such ideas, Alex? They certainly don't come from me.

    The totzl trust shown to me by my husband in accepting - and loving - his slave role does nothing to reduce my love for him. Quite the contrary. You make the mistake of assuming a Dom will despise her slave for his "weakness". It's a ridiculous assumption, at least in my case, as I respect my husband's willingness to forego his so-called natural inclinations as a "type A" personality and explore a long stifled and true inclination as a submissive/slave. It takes a real man to do that, and I can hardly regard him as despicable for doing so. You're barking up the wrong tree, Alex.

    slavehollywood - You needn't fear that my love for domination will eclipse my love for my husband. Read my reply to Alex and feel comforted. I do appreciate your concern, but the love that Karl and I share is in no danger of dissipating as a result of this experiment with slavery. As our conversations between slave periods show, there's actually a great deal of excitement being generated both ways. I haven't written about these conversations, but perhaps I should. It might clear things up a bit.

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  12. Lady Grey, I follow your blog with a great deal of excitement, appreciate and admiration. In my life as a submissive husband in a loving FLM, I have had thoughts of transitioning in slave hood and have fantasized about some of the things you have described karl going through. I'm pretty certain that at this point those thoughts remain a fantasy because I am keenly aware of the difference between fantasy and reality and although the thoughts of being a slave to my Mistress Wife is appealing on a fantasy level, I also know that it is one of those "be careful what you wish for" things.

    Your interesting concept of "slave sessions" is something that is very appealing to consider in that I am not certain that I can fully answer the 3 very intriguing and important questions you asked in your post .... "Is this an inevitable progression when a naturally Dominant woman marries a naturally submissive man? Is it even desirable to take a successful marriage to this new level? Is it worth risking disaster to change a dynamic this radically?"

    I can't wait to read all about how your journey goes.

    Thank you

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  13. I think you can love your husband and still want to use the whip to make him feel more submissive and to give you more control. I think the use of the whip should help bring your relationship to a new and satisfying level. He has to learn to accept the whip.

    FD

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  14. sub hub - You're wise to view such a transition with some trepidation. Not only for yourself, but for Mistress. She was not a natural dominant when you first started your FLM and her strides have been remarkable, but actually treating you like a true slave 24/7 is a major leap into unknown territories, and could cause more harm than good. The amount of time she'd have to spend planning this sort of thing is enough to send most women - especially the newly dominant - into a headspin of major proportions. For now, and for the sake of what you already have, you'd be well advised - by this natural dominant - to keep any slave fantasies in the realm of "maybe one day". If it's meant to be, she'll find ways of letting you know she's interested in raising the bar. Then you'll have to decide whether you want to make that leap.

    FD - He's learning. I don't mean to give the impression that I use the whip constantly, but its visual presence in our slave sessions is a constant reminder of what is possible if I'm not satisfied with his "performance". I use many forms of punishment that don't involve corporal methods, but just the memory of the whip after I've chosen to use it is usually enough to assure that the never ending list of tasks he must perform as my slave are kept up to date.

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  15. Fisrt let me say that there is no reason why a Mistress/slave marriage has to be cold and loveless. In fact it is an extremely intimate experience. The love between a Mistress and her slave is often more passionate than many vanilla relationships.

    I like the idea of having Mistress/slave weekends. Where you can test the waters without getting totally in. But I think the periods in between may be a hindrance for getting anything off the ground. I would consider going 24/7 immediately but on the mildest level. And slowly increase the expectations, rules, demands and use of the whip as the relationship develops. You can pull back at anytime or speed things up. Make changes as you go along, keep what works and disregard what doesn't. But you'll always be working towards your goal. Soon enough you'll both know if this is where you want to go or not.

    Jen

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  16. Jen - I completely agree with your first paragraph. As to the second paragraph, we revert to our usual D/s relationship in between the slave weekends, and there is - and always has been - a 24/7 element with our D/s in that I can use my Dominance any time I feel like it. He is not a "slave" per se during our D/s life, but it's basically a matter of degree. Slave sessions take his submission to a new level, as well as my Dominance.

    The "in between" periods allow for reflection and discussion. Our relationship is one of mutual consent, and we keep that concept sacred, which is where the importance of communication comes in. When Karl is a slave, there is no back and forth communication allowed. He is not allowed to speak unless asked a direct question. Thus, the in between times are a chance to discuss our progress or potential problem areas, and I wouldn't want to give that up. So far, at least, I prefer things the way they are, and I don't currently desire a constant slave situation 24/7. "So far" being the key words here:) Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

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  17. Lady Grey, I am new to the "woman in control" thing and really want to get it down! I am starting from ZERO, meaning he is probably a little more dominant than me and I tend to be meek and accomodating. It's probably not an easy question but where do I start? He tends to resist but I think he really needs to be broken (so to speak). He wouldn't talk back to his mother so why should he talk back to me?? Anyway, please tell me how I can start this process gradually (or more directly?)and start letting him know he can't push me around and needs to get his act together. Thank you so much, J

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  18. J - No, it's not an easy question to answer. There are plenty of "manuals" on the market about female led relationships, and probably as many methods as there are manuals. For me, at least, the key has always benn the concept of mutual consent. Without both parties being committed to making a FLR work, it won't. It sounds to me as though your male partner is reluctant at best. You can't simply "break" or coerce a person into this sort of relationship and expect it to last very long. I'd suggest that the two of you talk together about where you are and whether this is the sort of relationship that both of you desire. If not, there's no sense making each other miserable.

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  19. very dear Lady,
    " They certainly don't come from me. " true...
    This is my hint as to where the transformation becomes total..
    At that point there will still be a possibility to - make a last - stop.
    You surely know what I mean.. )

    Very best wishes to both of You! (and Your slave/husband also deserves a big Y)

    Sincerely,

    Alex

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  20. Slavehollywood

    "This is my hint as to where the transformation becomes total..
    At that point there will still be a possibility to - make a last - stop.
    You surely know what I mean.. )"

    Alex, it's pretty arrogant to assume that just because you experience something one way that everyone else does. She's already told you that this is not the case. Who the hell are you to tell her that you know her thoughts better than she does?

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  21. ... begs for forgiveness as it was expecting more a smile then an exasperated answer .. and will in the future be more cautious in its assertions...

    Alex

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  22. This is interesting. We're in an FLR which is very real to us. I have a feeling we'll be experimenting with some extended periods of full on slavery. I wonder how it will turn out..

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  23. Dear Lady Grey,

    it would be very interesting to learn more about the process of transforming Karl into your slave. In particular, how to deal with rebellions on his part or how to avoid them.

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    1. There have been no "rebellions" to deal with, and that is not surprising. Karl was into the experiment from the beginning and had no problem accepting his new status. Quite the contrary, as it turned out!

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